Upgrading firmware and maps on VW RNS 510 SatNav

I was starting to find the maps on my RNS 510 were getting a bit out of date, after all I had never updated it since I purchased the car in 2009. I also read that newer versions of firmware also provided additional features, bug fixes and performance improvements, obviously! So I started doing a lot of googling and reading and found a wealth of information spread all over the place about how to upgrade both the firmware and maps on the RNS 510.

So having successfully updated both the firmware and maps on my unit I thought I would write a guide to summarise, in one place, how I did it.

First I will describe how I did the firmware upgrade, then I will move on to how I updated the maps.

1. Determine which revision of hardware/firmware you are running

There are various different versions of RNS 510 along with multiple different versions of firmware, so it seemed like a good first step was to work out what I had. You can find out the specific hardware revision by a) taking the unit out of the dash and looking for the part number or b) using a secret hidden menu.

I opted for the second option, I really didn’t want to have to pull the unit out. To access the hidden menu, simply press the setup button for around 10 seconds and a radio service menu should appear with a menu option called “Version info” – unfortunately, on my unit this did not work. It seems that on older firmware versions this hidden menu is not available. So I was struggling at the first step, I had no idea which hardware/firmware revision I was running.

Fortunately, I found a web site that was quite encouraging and convinced me to take the plunge anyway. A high-risk strategy, and I would only encourage you to take it if you are prepared to take the risk!

2. Obtain new firmware

I found a really useful web site at gpsunderground here.

The chap here makes some pretty bold claims about which version of firmware works with with hardware revision, and the forum is full of people asking in broken English if it will work with their unit. So he basically says this:

1. Everyone can use firmware 5238 and newest maps
-> You can always use firmware 5238 on any device from 2005 to October 2013 (with HDD). *Hardware C3-C12*.
-> You can update directly to 5238 with no need for an update in between.
-> There are no exceptions to this, no matter what anybody else says.

I decided to go for firmware 5238, this also includes the video-in-motion (VIM) hack that stops the DVD player cutting out when you drive faster than 5mph.

You can get the download links from his site, but I’ll reproduce the links here, note that these links could go dead at any time:

SW: 5238 Update by josi
HW: C3-C12
part1 / part2 / part3 (452 MB)

After downloading, I used 7-Zip to unzip and merge the three files together into a single ISO image.

An alternative is to try and download it from BitTorrent, here’s a torrent file you can try (you will need to unzip it to extract the torrent file then use something like utorrent to process the torrent file and start the download).

It’s small enough that it will fit onto a CD-R, no need to waste a DVD-R! I burnt the ISO at the slowest speed my burner supported, which was 10x. My laptop came with CyberLink Power2Go, which is a very basic burner, but it worked fine for me. I’m sure you could use Nero or some other burner and burn it slower if you wanted. All the advice I have read states that the RNS 510 optical drive can be a bit fussy, so best to burn at the slowest speed you can.

So now I had the firmware all burnt and ready I was itching to give it a go… but wait!

I work in IT, and whenever you do anything in IT you ALWAYS have a back-out plan. So what was I going to do if it all went tits up?

Well, turns out there is a recovery ISO that can help fix an RNS 510 if the firmware upgrade fails. I didn’t actually need it it in the end, but it sure helps calm the nerves knowing that it’s out there. Here’s one place you can find it.

3. Perform the firmware upgrade

Now there is a magic button combination you can press to get the unit into software update mode (Setup + Eject + Info/Mic – top right hand button next to the DVD slot) – I didn’t actually need this (not until later anyway) but it’s handy to know.

Open the car up but do not put the key into the ignition. I put the CD-R with the firmware on it straight into the RNS 510 and it powered up and started to read the disc. If it doesn’t power up then press the on/off button. Then it’s just a case of being patient, letting it reboot several times and following the prompts. When it starts updating you’ll just have to leave it for about 1 hour. With a bit of luck, everything will go smoothly!

WARNING: There is a real possibility you will lose all your map data and music files on the HDD – make sure you have a map DVD available to reload your maps, unless you are happy to worry about that later!

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4. Check the upgrade was successful

After my unit rebooted I was curious to see if my maps and music on the hard disk had survived the upgrade process. They had not!

I don’t have a definite explanation, but I believe that whether the HDD gets wiped or not depends on which firmware version you were running – that’s why it’s nice to know what you are running so you can work out if you are going to lose your map data and music files or not. It seems that older firmware versions only used 2 hard disk partitions, one for the map data, the other for the music files. When you upgrade to a later version of firmware, it creates an additional partition for the new POI data available with the latest map DVD’s, so the upgrade may wipe your HDD to create 3 partitions. Of course if you are running a later version of firmware, you may already have 3 partitions, so may not lose anything.

BUT, it also seems that the map partition may not be big enough to hold all the data for the latest map DVD’s (the V12 Western Europe DVD is 5.5GB, compared with V4 which is about 3.5GB), so I’ve read somewhere that some firmware versions may actually resize the partitions, so even if you have 3 you may still lose all your files.

There are also other custom firmwares that change the partition sizes to give you more space for music files and not so much room for the POI data. Basically it all becomes a bit of a minefield trying to figure it all out so I didn’t really get too bothered about all this. But there’s plenty of info in the forums if you can be bothered to read it!

Anyway, I was curious to see how much space I had for music, and as the HDD icon in media player was greyed out, I knew it had been wiped. The way to get it back is to copy some MP3’s from an SD card, then you will see how big the music partition is. On mine it is only 13.8GB, this is definitely smaller than what I had before, I think I had around 20GB before, so I probably do have some wasted space for the POI database which I could reclaim using one of these repartitioning tools, but I will save all this for another day.

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Next step is to check the hidden menu – I held down the setup button for about 10 seconds and sure enough it popped up. I selected version info and got this screen:

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What is interesting is that this is showing my unit to be a “L” hardware rev (last character of part number), which seems to be quite a late rev considering my car is a 2008 model, but I’m sure I read somewhere that this firmware update actually changes the part number. No idea why, but I guess the only way to really check is to pull the unit and look at the physical label.

Anyway, you can see I am now running S/W version 5238, so that is all good. No map data is listed because I haven’t loaded the maps yet. So what I did was insert my original map DVD that came with the car, this is Western Europe V3, so is really old, but it copied to the hard disk and I was up and running in no time.

5. Obtain latest map DVD or ISO image

The latest Western Europe map DVD at the time of writing appears to be V12. If you manage to get hold of the DVD (ebay is your friend) you can simply load it into your unit and copy it to your HDD. However, if you know where to look you can find the ISO image. The issue with this is that the ISO is too big to fit on a single layer DVD-R, so you’ll need to get some dual-layer DVD-R’s and burn it or use another way. After reading about all the problems people have had getting the RNS 510 to load the maps from a home-burnt dual-layer disc (sounds like it has to do with where the transition between the 2 layers occurs) I opted for “another way” – and this, my friend, is ingenious!

6. Prepare SD card with map data and custom map loader CD

The Internet really can be a wonderful place sometimes! Due to the problem of the latest maps being too big to fit onto a single layer DVD-R, the Internet found a way around the problem. This sounds almost like evolution and reminds me of that line from Jurassic Park where Jeff Goldblum says “Nature always finds a way” or some other rubbish.

Turns out a clever chap by the name of Christian Jeanin figured out a way to get the RNS 510 to load the maps off an SD card – brilliant!

People appear to have been having problems with this, but I did it and it worked first time.

Anyway, if you go to this site and download “maps-tool” you get a lovely little tool that helps to prepare a set of files that can be copied to an SD card (minimum 8GB size) along with an ISO image that you can burn to another CD-R. This is used to boot the RNS 510 so it can copy the maps off the SD card. To start with, do a full format of the SD card using FAT32 and default allocation size and give it a volume name.

Start “maps-tool” and specify source ISO and destination directory. You can do it straight to the SD card if you want but it might be quicker if you use a local directory and then copy the files over to the SD card when it’s finished (I foolishly did it across my WiFi network to my NAS and it took ages!). Ooops. Smile

There are two options, you can prepare to copy to SD card or try and compress the ISO to fit it onto a single layer DVD. I wouldn’t bother with the second option as the latest maps will still be too big, also it doesn’t actually compress the data but removes stuff like TMC and POI data to try and make it smaller.

Select the first option, hit build and let it run.

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When the build is complete, you will find in the destination the following folders and files:

  1. MAPS (folder)
  2. MAPSDVD (folder)
  3. test.mp3 (file)
  4. sd_to_hdd_fw.iso (file)
  5. help.html (file)

Copy the [1], [2] and [3] folders and files to the SD card, then insert a blank CD-R and burn the sd_to_hdd_fw.iso ISO using the slowest burn speed available.

7. Load the new maps using SD card and custom CD loader

On the RNS-510 unit of your car (engine is OFF, key is NOT in ignition):

  • Power on the unit and insert the SD card into it. Make sure you can hear the short test.mp3 played (that means the SD card is OK)
  • Restart the unit in Software Upgrade Mode by pressing SETUP + EJECT + MIC (INFO) buttons
  • Wait 20 seconds and insert the firmware CD-R you burnt earlier (sd_to_hdd_fw.iso)
  • The unit will restart and will display a message about the upgrade/copy process. Confirm upgrade and wait.
  • The unit will start to copy the maps from SD card to the HDD. Usually this takes ~30 mins. The copy process displays 31% complete all the time, so don’t panic, just wait ~30 mins
  • When the copy is complete, the unit will restart and display a success message. After that, it will eject the firmware DVD and the new maps will be available on your unit

Afterwards, I went into the hidden menu (press setup for 20 seconds) and sure enough, I now had the latest maps (8195) loaded. Fantastic stuff!

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That’s it, I hope this helps someone. Please leave a comment if it did help.

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212 Responses to Upgrading firmware and maps on VW RNS 510 SatNav

  1. Stu says:

    I’d found plenty of online resources, but nothing just plain and simple like this… “grab these files, do this, do this” so this was a nice find. I followed it on my unit to make sure everything worked before fitting a 60GB SSD to replace the 30GB HDD. I’m not sure if “chok0” partitions the drives on a percentage or if it is fixed… I guess I’ll find out. 🙂

    Thanks Paul

    • Hi Stu, I am just about to swap out my HDD for a 64GB SDD, I’m following the thread here: http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/f78/rns-510-hdd-replacement-ssd-swap-diy-60984.html

      Did you put the drive straight in or try and clone it first? I’ve seen some people report problems getting the RNS to format/partition the SSD so thought I’d try cloning the HDD and if that didn’t work then try reloading the f/w and maps.

      • Stu says:

        Hi Paul, originally I just updates my existing HDD using the guide. Worked a treat.

        I put the 64GB SSD in yesterday, straight our of the box, it took around an hour on a nice big table. I Installed the firmware and the new V13 maps which were released a few days ago, worked perfectly. I’ll see if I can repartition before I get too far down the line of adding music, as it is just 30GB.

        Thanks again

        Stu

      • Hi Stu, I also ended up re-loading the firmware and maps onto my 64GB SSD, I also ended up with 30GB for music, I haven’t tried repartitioning it yet, you can find my rambling post here if you’ve not seen it yet: https://paulroberts69.wordpress.com/2015/10/24/replacing-hdd-in-rns-510-with-a-ssd/

        Let me know if you manage to repartition it, I tried but kept getting an SWL load error (probably a dodgy CD) + it was an earlier version of firmware (I did enable the downgrade option).

        Cheers.

    • domen says:

      What are the benefits of replacing the hhd with ssd. Is the system faster more responsive? Thinking of replacing it with an aftermarket android unit made by joying company.

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  3. I cloned it in the end, it worked a treat, see my latest post.

  4. rob.alliston@virgin.net says:

    Hello Paul
    Nothing short of a brilliant guide, so I have my fingers crossed that it helps me restore my RNS510 A version.
    I bought firmware and a map upgrade on eBay, successfully installed the firmware, but found it impossible to load the maps. It kept getting to about 95% and then restarting. After a dozen or so unsuccessful attempts, I started trawling the net for answers, only to end up more confused than ever. It appears that the firmware I bought should never really have worked on my unit (so I then had to downgrade, which was another drama!!) and I suspected that the maps may not have been loading because of the partition sizes. I spent an age downgrading and then trying to reload the maps which still failed over and over again.
    I’m at the end of my tether, and can only assume that the map copy I purchased is either duff, or the laser in my (2008 produced) RNS has become a bit lazy.
    This got me to the point of finding Maps Tool and your great tutorial. I tried to load the purchased map dvd into maps tool, but it failed reporting it was an unrecognised version (8118 instead of 8117) so I’ve hit rock bottom with that, and am hoping to try and download it from somewhere and install via SD card, which would eliminate the need for buying double layer dvd’s only to find out that my RNS dvd drive is no good.
    Anyway, fingers crossed, I shall report back…. eventually!!
    Thanks again for the great guide.
    Regards
    Rob

    • Buzz says:

      That’s becaue I made the maps disc 8118 and included speed cams on the disc. Someone I gave a disc to simply cloned it and started selling them. I’ve had a few people comment saying they’ve bought my maps disc from Ebay, but I’ve yet to find out who it was who started sellingsomething I was giving away. There’s some cheeky bastards out there…

  5. Hi Rob, sounds like you’ve been through the ringer a bit! My RNS is also a model “A” (only found out after pulling it out to swap the HDD for an SSD). My maps version is 8195, I don’t know anything about 8118/8117. Good luck finding a copy.

  6. Hev166 says:

    Hi, I’m having problems with mine, it just tries to re-boot. Looks like I have the old welcome screen. Thanks for this guide, I’m hoping it works. I have downloaded the 3 files but having problems un zipping them to put them on a cd. Not very good at all this. I’ve got the 7zip software. I’ll have another go tonight.

    Thanks again for the guide…..here’s hoping I can get somewhere.

    heather.

  7. Attila says:

    Hello,
    First of all, sorry for my English.
    I didn’t find answer for this: it is possible to have East and West Europe simultaneous on RNS 510?
    Thanks.

  8. Dan says:

    Thanks for a great article. I am stuck on the bit where the SD card is in and the DVD is in but I am unable to enter the software upgrade mode. I press the setup + eject buttons on the RNS 510 but the button next to the eject is a star for me and the microphone button is on the steering wheel. Pressing all 3 just does the same as what would pressing the setup button would do i.e. sends me to the test mode but not upgrade mode. Also, the DVD keeps getting pushed out…

    Any help would be greatly appreciated.

    Thanks

  9. Have you tried getting in the car leaving the ignition off and just inserting the CD?

  10. Josef says:

    Hi Paul, thank you very much for this useful information in one place. But I have toubles with ISO file unpacking, 7zip allways says Data Error:Wrong password? even though I used password eagger. Could you please help me?
    Thank you Josef

    • Sorry I have no idea why the password doesn’t work, maybe they’ve changed it?

      • Arian says:

        Same problem here, the file starts to extract but only some part of it ~10mb and im getting the same password error eagger password is not working, and i cant sign up on that site to ask 😦

      • Mark Q says:

        I know you said:

        1. Everyone can use firmware 5238 and newest maps
        -> You can always use firmware 5238 on any device from 2005 to October 2013 (with HDD). *Hardware C3-C12*.
        -> You can update directly to 5238 with no need for an update in between.
        -> There are no exceptions to this, no matter what anybody else says.

        However I have tried using the 5238 update on a 2009 unit and twice it has failed at the HDD update. The disc then gets ejected and I get this message:

        Anyone got any advice on how to resolve?

        Sent from my I-phone, cheers.

        >

      • any chance you can personally reupload the iso image pleaseee 😦 😦 i tried a nother 5238 version and now im stuck and my unit wont work

      • There’s a link to a torrent in the post, try that if you can.

      • Steve says:

        password is: eagger
        for latest version of the firmware:
        http://www.my-gti.com/3868/volkswagen-rns-510-firmware-download-repository

        Many thanks to Paul for the excellent guide

  11. Marius says:

    Hello I have followed the steps upgrading the maps. Everything cool until the end where it says its completed, removes dvd, I go to maps and says to insert map dvd. So it has not copyed. Did this happened to anyone? I will give it another try and see.

  12. Marius says:

    Hello. I followed all the steps, it seemd to work fine and even got the succes display. But when I went to setup to see the map version there was none and was asking for maps dvd for the navigation. I’ve tryed again but now I cant access even the radio. Is it possible my firmware got deleted or something? Pls respond thanks

  13. Marius says:

    Hello, i’ve followed the steps, everything went fine, but after completion, it ejected the cd and when i went to navigator there were no maps, asking me to insert maps dvd. And i think now it broke my unit and have to reinstall the 5238 again. I tryed v13 maps. Any1 knows why or how to fix ? Thanks

  14. Marius says:

    Oh sorry, i have no idea why i posted so many times , i thought it never replied the comment. And paul, i upgraded only the maps. v13

    • Ok now you may need to do more research, but if you are on an old firmware you might need to upgrade it first, the reason is that the newer maps need 3 partitions on the hard disk whereas the old firmware only uses 2. Now its possible that the latest maps might work with only 2 partitions but I really can’t say for sure as I have not tested it, so you may need to search the forums to see if anyone else has done it.

  15. Marius says:

    Ok. So I will try and do the same but with v12 maps as its the same you used. Although in the tool program you used states it is for the v13 maps aswell. Thanks for everything. Excellent job

  16. Marius says:

    Ok, so just replying for anyone who will encounter the same problem. The v13 were a success …. I do not know for what reason, but after reinstalling the 5238 i had the v13 maps in full without having to do anything else. Normally when u install the firmware deletes everything you have on hdd, so i suppose now it acted as a repair only that managed to keep the v13 maps on the hdd. So if anyone encounters the same problem, popin the 5238 firmware cd back in if you get stuck like me and after it finishes you should have all ready to go. Thanks again to Paul for the quick response and for the detailed tutorial.

    • Good stuff, thanks for your comments.

    • rakul says:

      I had the same problem like you on a passat b6 2008, and the same solution worked for me as well. I am thinking now to try and copy with sd card the other part of europe navi maps, so that i can have both east and west. Has anyone tried that?

      Thank you Paul Roberts for the tutorial !

  17. qcm 1359 says:

    Paul,

    I’ve no version info but according to other sources I need the 5238 update.

    I followed your guide step by step but all I get is that there was a cd/dvd error and disc ejects?

    Thoughts?

    • Could be a problem with the burn process, use decent quality CDR’s and burn at the slowest rate you can, you could also try a DVD-R or DVD+R but it worked fine for me with CDR, however your drive might not be as forgiving.

      • qcm1359 says:

        Hi Paul,

        I used a decent quality DVD-r and burned at the slowest speed x3.

        I had done this before on my own laptop at x10 but I had the same results.

      • sikansen says:

        I have the same problem. I tried multiple dvds and cds .. Two different burning drives … No luck at all. 😦

      • Are you using the three files from the zippyshare links or the one from bittorrent? Maybe there’s a problem with one of them.

      • sikansen says:

        Yes those from Zippyshare. What burning mode have you used? TAO, SAO or it doesn’t matter? I was wondering if this update needs to be enabled somewhere in the RNS 510. I already tried Setup + Eject + Info.

      • Strange, I also used the zippyshare files and no problems. No idea what mode the burner was in.

  18. Dusan says:

    Hi guys,
    What about TMC and POI? Does it work if I upgrade just the maps tp the Europe v13?
    I have HW: H61, SW: 3970 and map version 7690.

    Thanks

  19. Daniel says:

    Can I upgrade a B version RNS 510 firmware 1100 with HW-Version: H04 directly to firmware 5238 ?

  20. Hi,
    Excellent post and instructions.
    I have several questions:
    Does this work for USA vehicles?
    I was able to unpackage the zipped files, and the ISO file size is 700MB and not the 450, as you indicated. The filename is RNS510-5238A-josi-VIM-Testmode.iso. Could you please verify this is what you had once you unpackaged your file?
    Also, earlier in your post you mentioned that this upgrade includes the VIM 5mph being disabled? I wanted to make sure that it is since I have mine currently disabled – so I don’t want to lose this feature.
    I’m not sure what version of the map I have loaded, but I’ll have to look for the CD.

    Thanks.

  21. I had left a comment previously but it didn’t show up. My apologies in advance for my duplicate entries, if it shows up.

    Hi.
    Great post on upgrading the RNS 510.
    Before applying I have 3 questions.
    I downloaded the files using 7zip and I was able to unzipped the file. The ISO file size is 700Mb and not the 450Mb. So, hopefully it’s the same file. Can your verify your ISO file size?
    Is this firmware upgrade valid for USA VW cars with RNS510?
    In your post you indicated that the firmware disables the VIM timeout of 5mph. Want to make sure this is correct before applying since my current system has this feature turned off.
    Thanks.

    • Yes the ISO is 700MB.

      I have no idea if it works for US models, you do this at your own risk. Try the forums, someone there may be able to help.

      VIM is enabled just like I said, so you can drive faster than 5mph and the video will still show, great for the passenger(s) but not for the driver eh? 🙂 Imagine watching Star Wars while driving at 80mph down the motorway lol!

  22. Yang says:

    Hi Paul, thank you very much for your post. These steps are easy to read and follow. I followed these steps exactly and now the update with both the firmware and the map is successful.

    Just a few additional comments that may help:

    1. When updating the firmware, I have to set the clock mode to 24h and leave the door open. Otherwise I get a clamp state error.

    2. To enter the upgrade mode, the three buttons on my RNS 510 are SETUP+EJECT+STAR (next to EJECT). I read somewhere that a guy is asking the buttons when the MIC is on the steering wheel.

  23. Ian says:

    Thanks so much for this guide Paul. Worked perfectly and as described on my 2011 Skoda Columbus unit (and happy to find no re-partition was needed so all data was retained). Little discernible difference in the firmware (except for the version info hidden menu option) but useful to update to V13 maps from an SD.

  24. 09jharish says:

    Hi i have tried to follow these steps. After burning firmware 5238 to a CD R at a slow speed of x4 the unit asked for a swl recovery disk. So i downloaded the swl and got the system back on. The system now is running the basic software and nothing is working in terms of playing cds/radio. Any pointers in what im doing wrong? The RNS 510 i have is 1T 035 680 AX

  25. David says:

    Hi, I’ve downloaded part 1, part 2 and part 3 and unzipped them to end up with 3 files… RNS510-5238A-josi-VIM-Testmode.iso RNS510-5238A-josi-VIM-Testmode-1.iso RNS510-5238A-josi-VIM-Testmode-2.iso all 717MB each. If I then merge them together the file size would be over 2GB, however you mention the resulting file size is small enough to fit on a CDR. I’m confused… do I need to merge these 3 files together or do I just use the first one?
    Thanks.

  26. Sion says:

    Hi, I’ve got a 2008 Touareg and I’m struggling to figure out which version of the firmware I’m running, and even what model of RNS 510 I have got. I’ve found the ‘secret’ Version Info menu, but I’m not sure which entry refers to the firmware or radio part number. I have bought this from ebay, but I’m nervous about bricking the whole system.
    http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/172056406621?_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

  27. walid hosny says:

    Dear Paul I have rns 510 type 3T0035680K SW 5230 HW H30 fitted to skoda the problem is that all map versions for rns 510 doesn’t include Egypt map can you find how can I add Egypt map to my existing navigation map version????

    • Have you tried contacting your local VW dealership?

      • amriaegypt says:

        Yes Paul I contact artocauto the skoda dealer in Egypt they have no solution also VW dealer have no solution the navigation is nit working for all skids and VW in Egypt we used to replace the original rns unit with a Chinese copy to activate navigation. That because Egypt map is not installed

      • Walid HOSNY says:

        Yes Paul I contacted them several times and still no solution all Skoda cars and VW cars in Egypt can’t use the navigation with the original rns unit we need to replace it with a Chinese unit in order to have navigation that because Egypt map isn’t installed and the dealer has no solution.

  28. Just a note for anyone following this, I have noticed some subtle differences since upgrading to this firmware, the main one being the lack of mp3 resume. Sometimes I’ll do a short trip to drop the kids off at school and don’t get through a whole mp3 track, when I jump back in the car later the track restarts from the beginning rather than from where it left off. It’s only a minor annoyance, but sometimes I end up listening to the same track time and time again because I don’t drive the car long enough to get onto the next one!

    I checked the GPS underground site and found this little note:

    “C3 & C4A only
    There is no automatic mp3 resume with a modified firmware, due to smaller hardware memory.
    You can only bypass this by changing the source to Radio before pulling the key.”

    When looking at the part numbers, C3/C4A equates to a rev A model, which is what I have:

    VOLKSWAGEN

    HW Vehicle: 0xC001 – 1T0 035 680 A (C3/C4A)
    HW Vehicle: 0xC201 – 1T0 035 680 B (C6/C7)
    HW Vehicle: 0xC801 – 1T0 035 680 C (C8/C9)
    HW Vehicle: 0xC801 – 1T0 035 680 D/F/G/H/J (C10/C11/C12)
    HW Vehicle: 0xCA01 – 1T0 035 680 D/H/J (C12)
    HW Vehicle: 0xCC01 – 1T0 035 680 D/H/J (C12)
    HW Vehicle: 0xCC01 – 1T0 035 680 L/P/Q (C12)
    HW Vehicle: 0xCE01 – 1T0 035 680 T/R/S (C14)

    The only way I have found to reliably determine your hardware rev is to pull the unit out and look at the part number.

    So if you have an early model RNS 510, like me, you might lose this MP3 resume feature when you upgrade. The alternative is to use a stock firmware.

    Please check out the thread here for full info:

    http://gpsunderground.com/forum/volkswagen-seat-skoda/34434-vw-rns-510-skoda-columbus-i-firmware-guide-downloads.html

  29. Manos says:

    Maps CD_8195 worked perfectly under SW 4120 firmware, following the instructions above. Many thanks paulroberts69 🙂 No need to press SETUP + EJECT + MIC (INFO) after inserting the SD card. Simply insert the CD with the ISO!

  30. fredrik says:

    Hi does anyone have problems with powerdrain or is it any way to find it out? i did just read that i could appear but dont know how to find it out.. my rns 510 is from 2008

  31. Johnas Kofod Andersen says:

    Hello
    I follow your guide and it worked. The problem now is that there is not coming any sound from the speaker. I turn the audio up and down no sound. This include cd/media/navigation/ radio. When I put Cd/sd card it will not play when I push play. I hope you can help me.

  32. Just me says:

    Hi Paul,

    Did you burned the recovery ISO on a CD too? It’s only 4mb in size. What a waste of space. If not, what did you do?

    Also, how can I tell if I have a HDD and what it’s size is? I went to all the menu’s and cant find anything about HDD. If the CD is ejected, I can navigate without it. Which should mean that I have a HDD in it, just cant get any info about it.

    Would love to know how big it is in order to make a decision either replace it if the size is too small, or install the maps if I have enough space.

    • I didn’t burn the recovery ISO as I didn’t need it. There is a menu option that tells you the hard disk capacity but I can’t remember where it is off the top of my head.

      • Just me says:

        I read that you didn’t start the engine while you performed the firmware update and updating the maps. What can happen if the car runs out of power while performing the updates?

      • No idea, maybe you can brick it, but you might be able to rescue it with the recovery CD.

  33. Just Me says:

    So today I tried to do the firmware update and updating the navigation maps.

    Firmware update failed, I wasted 2 CD’s and 1 DVD-RW. Those CD’s were pretty old, I’m guessing more than 13 years. But I used 2x speed for writing. When I inserted the CD’s they were ejected with an error on the screen.

    Here is an interesting part:
    Pressing setup button for 10/15/20/25/30/etc doesn’t do anything in my unit. All it shows is the AM/FM secret menu. Investigating some more about how to enable this tells me that I need to do something with a cable VAGCOM (which I don’t have). But I moved on updating the navigation from V6 to V13. After 30 min it completed successfully.

    Then the system rebooted and I was curious if pressing the setup button for 10 sec would do anything. Secret menu showed up, and I learned that I have a C unit (the delivery port number ends with 680C). Updating the firmware first wouldn’t have showed me this info.

    The SW-Version is 2720, which is pretty old. The map got updated to 8195. I was curious if I had the speedcams as POI too, but I learned that I don’t have them. I read somewhere that I need to have a SW version not older than 3xxx for this to work. So it seems that I have to retry burning the image again. I’ll go for 10x speed this time, and I bought new CD’s/DVD’s.

    Any questions let me know. I’ll keep you guys posted.

    • I have tried using DVD-R with no luck, I wanted to try DVD+R but don’t have any right now, so if you try that it would be useful to know if that works. I am trying to upgrade to V13 maps but for some reason the map tools CD I used for V12 won’t load anymore and I have tried burning a new one with CD-R and DVD-R with no luck, hence want to try DVD+R 😦

    • walid hosny says:

      Finally I found solution for all the RNS 510 problems just throw away the unit. Buy a Chinese unit with the same user interface same cables everything fits original sockets and canbus and enjoy your life. Case closed

  34. I looked at several Chinese android units but none supported the factory fitted reversing camera, meaning you had to run cables from the head unit to a new camera, then I found people complaining of various other compatibility problems, I gave up looking in the end.

  35. walid hosny says:

    Chinese unit is about 450$.. DVR. wifi rear camera. support steering wheel function. map on sd card can be updated from any where no restrictions USB 2 can play all kind of video format. Connect to the internet using USB internet dongle.mirror link Bluetooth connection also you can use an obd2 dongle to connect your DVD player with your car diagnosis system. Just through Rns 510 and enjoy your life.

  36. walid hosny says:

    http://www.dx.com/p/8-skoda-car-dvd-player-w-gps-bt-radio-usb-for-octavia-fabia-roomster-yeti-superb-part-patnck-416432#.VrBHNkZBspA. This link is for a unit which fulfill all our needs with about 225$ 8″ screen lets get rid of the RNS 510 and smile while you are throwing it in the toilet 🚽

  37. Adam says:

    Hi. Update was really good and very user friendly guide. I got the more recent maps but that’s about it. Seemed to work fine – though the drive was a bit precious about the CDs, it took 3 times but eventually the first disc I burnt worked.
    Thanks so much! If a later firmware gets released would you be doing a guide for that?

  38. Niall says:

    Followed your instructions, didn’t work.
    Followed your instructions more closely…… worked!

    Cheers for the excellent how to, saved me a bunch of time!

  39. Michal says:

    Hi, your guide is brilliant. I have tried it and it works fine, but with one problem. I installed firmware 5238 and maps west V13. Everything works fine, only steering wheel buttons doesn´t work! I don´t know what can i do with it.(Škoda Octavia 2007, Columbus RNS 510)

    I have another question. I tried this in my fathers Škoda Superb 2010 also with Columbus RNS 510. This navigation does not read any CDs or DVDs, home burnt and original too. I found in one of forums, that it can be laser error. Have you same advices?

    Can u help me? 🙂 I will be appreciate for every answer.
    Thank you very much for every reply. Have a good day.
    PS: I´m form Slovakia, so sorry for my english 😀

    • If your steering wheel buttons have stopped working you might have to take it to VW and get them to use their vagcom unit to reset it. As for your CD/DVD problem, it does sound like a problem with your drive.

      • Michal says:

        Thank you for reply.
        So, problem with the buttons is not a big problem? I think the problem with that CD/DVD is in my drive, like you.

      • Lucian says:

        If you read the link from gpsundergroud, that Paul provided in the article , more closely, there is a fix for octavia steering wheel buttons. U just need to download that file( .iso ), burn it into a cd, then just pop it into your unit after you finished the update. It will patch the firmware, and your buttons on the steering wheel will work. Cheers!!!

  40. MCQ says:

    I know you said:

    1. Everyone can use firmware 5238 and newest maps
    -> You can always use firmware 5238 on any device from 2005 to October 2013 (with HDD). *Hardware C3-C12*.
    -> You can update directly to 5238 with no need for an update in between.
    -> There are no exceptions to this, no matter what anybody else says.

    However I have tried using the 5238 update on a 2009 unit and twice it has failed at the HDD update. The disc then gets ejected and I get this message:

    SWL Error

    An error has occurred related to the SWL Media. Please remove the existing media and either insert the same SWL image on a different Media to continue or insert a new SWL image to start a new SWL process.

    Can anyone help here?

    Cheers

  41. Belinda says:

    Easy as pie, thanks heaps!

    I’m in Australia so I just upgraded the firmware, not the maps. I can get the latest disc for here for only $50, all above board 🙂

  42. solomond says:

    Hi there, could you tell me if the firmware 5238 is ok for North America?
    Thanks a lot!

  43. Roman from Ukraine says:

    Hello, help to understand which I need to put the firmware.
    Information RNS510:
    Delivery part number – 1T0035680A
    HW -Verion – H04
    SW-Version – 1020
    SV SW-Version – C_EU_5.540_t730
    HW Radio – 0003
    Map version HDD – 6317

    Later firmware have updated to 3810, during the upgrade, all data from the HDD were deleted.
    Now in Version info showing:
    Delivery part number – 1T0035680D
    HW-Version – H04
    SW-Version – 3810
    Navigation maps set failed, tried 8129 (Eastern Europe), but RNS510 an error “error disk”.

    Tell me which can be placed navigation map now, or which firmware update to be able to put the latest boulaur card?

  44. Ste says:

    Hi,

    I imported a 2009 golf mk6 from Japan and the rns510 head unit obviously has the Japanese map and fm tuner.

    I was wondering if I performed this update would it switch it over to the European settings and maps for me?

    Any help on this would be great as I cant find anything online.

    Cheers

  45. coldcuppatea says:

    Thanks for the guide – very helpful. Got my firmware sorted this evening and just waiting for some eBay maps to be delivered now 🙂

  46. Very good explanation. Done firmware update and maps on my RNS510 V13 2008 Touareg 3.0TDI…

    THANKS

  47. VanCroft says:

    Many Thanks!! Update successfully RNS510 Columbus V13

  48. Tarel says:

    Hi Paul and all
    I have this issue (looks like a common one) my radio (RNS 510) starts with the logo of VW and directly switch off, tried to disconnect…etc but nothing, looks like a firmware issue right? this is my first question
    second one, i downloaded from this link (http://www.my-gti.com/3868/volkswagen-rns-510-firmware-download-repository) the firmware version 6276 (LOCATION 1) but there is a location 2 which is devided into 3 parts, should i download them also and put them on the same CD as the location one for the update or just enough the location one?? don’t understand really the difference between them!!
    the third question which is dirsturbing me more than others is should i really upgrade my RNS 510 to this latest versio or enough the 5238 mentioned above?? i am not sure about the version that i have and the firmware inside but it is an RNS 510 inside a passat CC (oct 2008). afraid just to downgrade later is it not support!
    Thanks a lot for your quick support all of you and your quick promt

  49. Ed says:

    Hi Paul I have read on my gti.com that the update can sometimes cause a power drain issue, did you experience this and if so how did you overcome it? I am running the RNS510 with V5 maps and it has reverse cam installed. I tried the secret menu to find my software version but sadly this didnt work 😦 I have the old logo when the system loads.

    Keen to give this a go tomorrow but just wanted to know if any of the above features mentioned are likely to cause issues?

    You guide and links are very good by the way great read nice and clear !!

    Cheers Ed

  50. zain says:

    Hi,

    I have tried DVD+R and CD+R but when i insert the dvd and go in to the update mode it will only show unable to boot properly… insert swl cd. It doesnt read or update. After a while it restarts and goes in normal mode..

    Can you help?

    Greets

  51. tarek says:

    Hi Paul, thanks for your support, in fact the above mentioned version for some reason i could not use it, i spent half a day trying but the update goes interrupted in half a way, i downloaded 5269 version and TADAAAAAA it works))), the issue now is that i lost all the maps and as you might know the volume of the ISO image cannot fit into one DVD, any advises on this?
    Using SD cards is scarying me since i don’t wanna see again the setup screen, BTW, how can i go out from the setup screen without using the SWL CD (mean after SETUP+EJECT+INFO)
    Tried to split the ISO image into 2 parts but the system does not recognized any of the 2 CDs!!!
    Thanks in advance

    • You’ll need to use the SD card method to load on the maps. Don’t worry about the SWL screen when using the map loader CD, it’s used purely as a loader for the maps and doesn’t touch the firmware. If it doesn’t work just eject the CD and the RNS will start as normal.

      • tarek says:

        Thanks for your quick prompt, would you advise please step by step how to use the SD card for maps?
        what i understood is that i start by using SETUP+EJECT+INFO, then insert the SD card, then it should be done automatically? if yes the setup screen should end automatically just after? if not how can go back to normal screen? (even with NO maps downloaded)

        Thanks

  52. ceti says:

    i have a problem with sd for the map update. my update is finished but the map is not in the hdd can you help me?

  53. Roger Norton says:

    I have an RNS510 fitted in my recently purchased 2007 Skoda Roomster. It would appear that it is an aftermarket OEM version of the RNS510 as there is no ‘Set-up’ button. Do you or anybody else know the method of entering the ‘Set-up’ menu? Although the fascia is similar, the ‘Set-up’ button is an ‘AMS’ button on this version.
    http://www.usedwolverhampton.co.uk/classified-ad/Aftermarket-Volkswagen-RNS510-2Din-Car-Stereo-GPS-Nav-DVD-Bluetooth-for-VW-Skoda_24032774

    • At first glance I would say that isn’t an RNS 510 but some other unit maybe based on Android, there are lots out there, just look on Amazon and you may even find yours on there.

  54. Tosho says:

    Hi. I have a question.
    I’m planing to do this exercise tomorrow on VW Tiguan 2009. I want to install the 2 EU DVDs (East and West) – can both maps be copied to/from one SD card or I should make two and install them one by one. Is it even possible to install both maps on the HDD or I must change cards and install only one every time?

  55. Bojan Curcic says:

    I installed everything as it says here , the software was able to upgrade now 5238 , I also upgraded the map but when I go to look at the folders writes that they are not ? only 3 bars empty. During installation map all went well and at the end of the CD out and reset , but writes that in the cards is blank and constantly asks me : please insert DVD with maps … Where is the problem ???? Sorry for my bad english,

  56. Nada amer says:

    How can I get this program

  57. Geoff says:

    Hi Paul. Updated the firmware following your guide that was fine and my ver 12 map was still there. Decided to upgrade to ver 13 map and after being in the drive for more than an hour got a message about it being a bad disk. At that point my ver 12 map has now been wiped so got out my ver 12 disk and it keeps trying to read it but doesn’t try to copy the nap to the hard drive !

    Any ideas please ?

    • Sorry no idea, fwiw I haven’t actually managed to upgrade to V13 yet, for some reason my RNS will no longer read the maps tool CD despite burning the ISO to various different disc types.

  58. Geoff says:

    Thanks Paul,

    Finally got it working after burning another copy of the DVD using img burn instead of Nero – bad that is Ver 13 running do all OK now thanke to you.

  59. Halit says:

    I did what u hv told. I got a sd hc card and rns could play the test.mp3 file. I reboot and screen said swl searching, but not a valid swl source, and screen stays still “software download-sourcr activated, searching swl ” … it never starts to cooy files from sd to hdd…

    What cn i do please help!

    • Suggest you contact the guy who wrote the maps tool software, fwiw I’ve not been able to upgrade to v13 maps myself do to similar problems.

      • HALiT BEBEK says:

        can be the article or program for only sw 5238? i mean, my problem is about with the 5274 sw? other to ask is, maps tool program is designed fr only 5238 sw?

        thanks

  60. tony says:

    hi and thanks for your job!i made a mistake…i was made the update firmware with th key in ignition and now my rns ask for a firmware cd..what can i do?i forgot complete to remove the key from the ignitions…

  61. mediagig says:

    Hello Paul,
    I did exactly your steps, installed the new soft (now it’s a cool red color :)) )
    But when to process the maps installation, I received this error: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B4tYUq8Fl7BNS3dHendESDJ2OTA/view?usp=sharing

    I did tried both options: with SD+CD, and also only with the compressed DVD (both written with the map tools).
    Here is the video with my old version (just in case you need some info): https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B4tYUq8Fl7BNM3JpUmtyeU9PSzA/view?usp=sharing

    Can you help?

    Regards,
    Mihai
    mihai24silus at yahoo com

  62. Alnath says:

    Few notes with v13, card instructions mode..
    For me it was easier burning that iso file as image to cd/dvd at low speed (4x on a rewriteble Verbatim CD). 1st I just wrote it as iso file to cd and I got the dvd/cd error message. It’s going smooth with dors open an no key in ignition, but don’t think it count cuz I retrofit the rns to a 2006 audi 🙂
    You need to know that the system will boot few times before it get to update the maps and eventually will show an image with update available, the the process (31% continuously), confirmation done and afer another automatically reboot maps were available with card/cd out. In total will be 5 or 6 reboots, at least that how it was in my case. I didn’t change the can bus and didn’t made modifications in VAG-COM to make it perfectly run in my car, it will happen when I’ll find someone with skills in that area.
    Thanks a lot for instructions.

    • Interesting, I am still struggling to do the upgrade to V13, I have lost count how many CD/DVD’s I have burnt, it has rebooted numerous times but never seems to get to the map update screen (the 31% screen) just spits the CD out and reports CD/DVD error. I don’t understand now why I am having so much trouble when I did the initial upgrade to V12 very easily. I will keep trying and report back here if I ever get it to work.

      • Alnath says:

        Just burn it as IMAGE to CD/DVD.. not added as plain simple iso file.
        Your disk will contain folders: HDD, SWL, WA; and files: BLSCRIPT.CFG, CRC.16, DIR.INI, ECUORDER.TXT, VERSION.TXT
        Good luck to everybody and God speed on updating 🙂

  63. Nanekas says:

    Nice info, worked very well, just found a way to install maps from single layer dvd eith the same soft you mentioned when tried to create a naviSDHC card. All works well.

  64. Tarek says:

    Hi Paul & all
    after updating the firmware i tried to update the maps, downloaded V12 maps at a size of ~4.8 Gb, finally burned it on a dual layer CD with a capacity of 8.5 Gb, but when i insert it into my RNS 510 (passa cc 2009) it rejects the CD with an error…tried with car off, car on, keys in and out but same error, not reading the CD.
    any ideas please how to fix this issue?
    just soon traveling to Europe by car and need the maps((
    thanks in advance
    Tarek

    • Yes I read about this during my initial research, I believe it has something to do with the layer change, if it occurs in the middle of a file then the RNS can’t handle it, so you need to organise the file structure so that the layer change does not happen across files. I don’t know even if it’s possible to do this, so the way around it is to use the maps tool program and copy the maps off an SD card. All the details are in the post.

  65. etnik says:

    Can anyone help me with a link where I can download the v13 or even v12 eastern europe?

    thank you

  66. Anthony says:

    How can I install Western and Eastern maps V.13 on tha same HDD? I would like to have full Europe on RNS 510? Thanks

  67. Lucian says:

    I have RNS510 from 2009. I made everything like you say, loaded v12 eastern europe from sd card, firmware 5238 (from your links) but I have a problem. No gps signal. In the GPS secret menu the last line show “connected” and after 1~2 sec show “discconected” and so on. I’m waiting… for nothing.
    please help me.

  68. Max Stevens says:

    Paul, thanks for this blog, I had been considering upgrading the firmware on mine as I kept driving across fields where roads had been changed e.t.c, but It all seemed too complex. Your guide enabled me to do it with ease & a new 2016 Map purchased for £19.99 & everything works fine, it even upgraded the reverse parking sensors too. Thanks again. Max Stevens

  69. Dave says:

    Hello,
    I burned the firmware .ISO file on disk but when I insert, it ejects and says wrong disk.
    Should i burn .iso file or open iso file and burn the contents?
    any idea?
    how about map upgrade? same as firmware in terms of the way I burn on disk?

  70. Joshua says:

    Hi thank you for the info
    I might have missed some important information you shared please bare with me….
    Where can i get the latest maps?i would like to buy rns bt i dont think maps dvd will be affordable from vw….
    Thanks in advance

  71. mark says:

    i thought this updated your maps? what do you mean it deleted your maps? i thought this was a update

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  73. Ryan says:

    Paul,

    You are a deadset legend!!!!!!!

    Great job!

    One question. After I’ve upgraded the maps do I have to leave the SD card in the unit or can i eject it?

    Cheers mate

    Ryan

  74. Edwin says:

    Hi Paul, Many thanks for this. I had an audio problem with my RNS510. I updated the firmware according to your description and now all works fine again. Also credits to Second Lieutenant from GPS underground. I’m going to try the maps update now.

  75. Novad says:

    Hi Paul,

    Worked perfectly for me on a Passat 2008 that was never updated.

    I confirm that maps were deleted and I had to reinstall them with a V13 DVD.

    Thanks a lot for your blog. It was a great source of information 🙂

    Novad

  76. Habib says:

    Hi Rob. Love your detailed description. But I cant seem to install my v13 map. It wount go past SWL Initiatin prgress…………please wait. After that it just starts normal again.

  77. metawops says:

    Reblogged this on Home Of MetaWops. and commented:
    Wow! Das hat tatsächlich funktioniert! Ich hatte bei meinem RNS 510 eine endlos Bootschleife und die VW Werkstatt konnte (wollte?) nicht helfen.
    Jetzt läuft es wieder – inkl. der neuesten Maps V13.
    Und entgegen der Angaben von VW kann mein SD-Kartenleser offensichtlich doch SD-Karten lesen, die größer als 2GB sind! Zumindest mal 8GB klappte. (Mein EOS ist Baujahr 2008…)

  78. Rui says:

    Hi Paul

    Works with WEurope maps V13 also, even in an unupdated 2010 RNS 510 unit – until now :). The only thing gone with the firmware and map updates were the radio stations presets (everything else preserved)

    Excellent job. Thank you!

    Best regards
    Rui

  79. GMac says:

    Does anyone know where I can find US firmware version? I have downloaded multiple versions and get an error when it goes to update the firmware. I think my problem is that the firmware is EU based. Any ideas???

  80. tj says:

    what is the password for the for the link

  81. tj says:

    iso wont downold at all

  82. Marko Milenkovic says:

    Hi Paul,

    So I have recently bought Skoda Octavia 2 (2009) with RNS 510 unit. And I deciced to upgrade firmware and maps and I founded your blog. At first I want to thank you for such detalied way to upgrade RNS 510,but seems like I have a problem.. I succesfully upgraded firmware to 5238 without any errors and when I was done with the building maps on sd card and burning “sd to hdd fw iso” file on cd,when I insert CD into a RNS 510 as you said ,I got a message CD/DVD ERROR and about 15sec after that message the system starts restarting and shows a message about founded SWL file and then after several restarts,unit just shutdowned and nothing happens after that. I used google to search about that problem and it seem like i have not found any answer. Can you help me ? Sorry for bad english btw.

    • Are you saying your RNS won’t even start now? I have had lots of problems trying to upgrade the maps to V13, I just can’t get the SD to HDD ISO to work now, however when it fails my RNS just restarts as normal.

  83. Krimson AJ says:

    I was happy to find this page and see it’s normal the updating progress stays all the time at 31% 🙂 Was a bit worried because you see nothing happening but indeed, after 30 minutes the system restarts and when i looked into version info i got 8348 😀 Thanks.

  84. Mark White says:

    Hi Paul
    My unit’s label says:
    3TO 035 680E
    Date: 05.11.2011
    HW: H61
    SW: 3984
    This was correct until I’ve had problems with installing the maps via your SD 2 HDD work around. I didn;t know where the problem was so upgraded teh firmware to 5238 and still had the same problem.

    The problem being that after the map work around has finished (keys out of the ignition & approx 30mins) I get the ‘success’ screen. I remove the SD card etc and use the hidden menu and it quite rightly shows the V13 maps as:
    Active map coverage West Europe
    Active map supplier Navteq
    Map version DVD 8348

    However, once the unit is turned off, it ‘forgets’ the mapping, as if it never saved it to HDD. Turning the system back on and using the hidden menu will now show;
    Active map coverage –
    Active map supplier –
    Map version DVD –

    If I select NAV or MAP, the system just says ‘Please insert the nAvigation CD/DVD’ !!

    ive seen this mentioned at Point 4 of the trouble shooting on the site of http://christian-jeanin.ro/mapstool2/files/help/help.html and I followed the instructions and put the map DVD back in.
    However, no matter what i try I can not get the NAV/MAP to work without a mapping DVD inside the amchine.

    Any ideas?

  85. Hi Paul
    My unit’s label says:
    3TO 035 680E
    Date: 05.11.2011
    HW: H61
    SW: 3984
    This was correct until I’ve had problems with installing the maps via your SD 2 HDD work around. I didn’t know where the problem was so upgraded teh firmware to 5238 and still had the same problem.

    The problem being that after the map work around has finished (keys out of the ignition & approx 30mins) I get the ‘success’ screen. I remove the SD card etc and use the hidden menu and it quite rightly shows the V13 maps as:
    Active map coverage West Europe
    Active map supplier Navteq
    Map version DVD 8348

    However, once the unit is turned off, it ‘forgets’ the mapping, as if it never saved it to HDD. Turning the system back on and using the hidden menu will now show;
    Active map coverage –
    Active map supplier –
    Map version DVD –

    If I select NAV or MAP, the system just says ‘Please insert the navigation CD/DVD’ !!

    ive seen this mentioned at Point 4 of the trouble shooting on the site of http://christian-jeanin.ro/mapstool2/files/help/help.html and I followed the instructions and put the map DVD back in.
    However, no matter what i try I can not get the NAV/MAP to work without a mapping DVD inside the machine.

    Any ideas?

  86. Daniel Cercel says:

    It worked perfectly step by step from start to finish ! What a great tutorial: simple and effective ! Thanx a million times ! Have an awesome day,cheers from Romania !

  87. hans says:

    hello
    i have a d unit with firmware 3970 on it , if i upgrade the firmware to a newer version will i lose all my music thats on mij hd disk ??
    and is there a option to download de music from the hd drive ???

    • Bruno Lagos says:

      Hey, I can copy the music to a SD card. I think its the only way.
      I add the Firmware 3970on my RNS510 (2011 passat) and I have made the upgrade and I lost nothing. Still, I sugest you to make a Backup of your musics to the SD card.
      Regards,
      Bruno.

  88. Tiziano says:

    I installed the firmware 5238 from 4020 with V13 maps okay. Now I have a problem: not by the voice instructions of the route. Is there a solution? I apologize for the translation but I speak only Italian. Thanks so much

  89. Kristof says:

    I have a US/Canada spec. 2009 VW Passat 2.0 T with RNS510
    Researched forever and found out that SW1140 is the max you can go to.
    HDD and no Solid state drive. The 1140 enables clock display with unit off and also 32GB SD cards. All data remained untouched, not reformat of HDD or else.
    Found SW1140 and burnt on DVD-R at slowest speed. Update worked, also VIM for the hidden setup menu functionality (I do not watch video DVD’s so the hidden menu is what I’m interested in).
    Also found V10M North America maps ISO and burnt ISO on DVD-R DL at slowest speed.
    Copied fine but didn’t finish copying so found a fix on a TDi Forum with 3 button soft reset (2 buttons left of DVD slot and the one far right (day/night button). After performing reset the Map update DVD copied to HDD just fine and also finished that process.
    While at it updated to current bootlogo, now the old RNS510 is a much more useful unit especially considering the much more current map data. Having said that I usually use Google Maps and nothing beats Google Maps 🙂

  90. Bruno Lagos says:

    Hi huys,
    I have update the SW no problem. A note: The system show a first pop-up “DVD error”. Ignore that.. let the RNS510 work. Be patient. It will work. I copied the DVD and CD 10X speed. Use good DVD and CDs.

    If you don’t want to update the firmware, no problem. Maptools SW work on the 39XX formware and above.

    A chrismas gift for you guys:
    V14 maps. (We will need to wait for the maptools update to v14):

    Link to the ISO: https://mega.nz/#!5NxhFQTB!lImpgrjUlXQc3kflCaIjriN4Ax0FC20oCyUfme2Vuys

    Enjoy!

    • Bitter says:

      Will this work for US? If not, can us US folks get a Christmas present too? I’m in search of rns 510 v.11m navigation system map update

      • Bruno says:

        I guess the Maps work. But you dobt won’t EU Maps.
        I sugest that you search on us sites. Sorry not to help you..
        Cheers.

  91. Graham says:

    There are full instructions along with firmware for Aus and Euro units. NOT SUITABLE for USA units No need to unzip or use multiple files or any Tools.

    Here http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/f78/firmware-updates-rns510-units-australia-nz-69790.html

  92. Rap lin says:

    what is the password?

  93. Cristian Burceag says:

    Great tutorial! I just followed the steps and upgraded firmware than v 13 maps. Everything works perfect! Thank you so much!

  94. Patrick Zöllich says:

    Hey, great tutorial, but I´ve got some problems:
    After starting my RNS510 in SWL mode it startet to load the “SD to HDD Iso” but there it got frozen.
    Now my RNS510 is not starting any more (even not until the “welcome” screen). It´s just trying to start (screen backlight goes on). The reset (Buttons: back+foward+star) does not work nor does the eject+star+setup work. I also removed the car-batterie but with no success.

    I think my RNS510 is stuck in the SWL bootloop waiting for an CD/DVD insert. But the SDtoHDD iso CD is still in there and the RNS don´t want to eject it.

    Does anybody know what to do?

    Thanks a lot!

  95. Ales says:

    Thank you!

    Works perfectly. My RNS510 1T0 035 680C with original sw 2840 became now 1T0 035 680L sw 5238 after upgrade. I prepared also emergency solution (swl_fix) based on your suggestion and SD cards with maps v13 8350 but at the end i did not used that because content of my HDD was not touched by SW upgrade! Now have faster startup and VIM as well!

  96. Alden says:

    Can anyone else provide the program Maps Tool? Looks like the link is down or no longer being hosted 😦 Prefer the Mac version but Windows could work too. Getting desperate to update my North American RNS-510 as the DVD gives me CD/DVD error 😮

    http://christian-jeanin.ro/mapstool2/ no workie 😦

  97. David says:

    Hi Everyone. I just updated y FW to 5238 and wanted to update my map as well, but adter the install there is no map on my system. I tried V13 and V14 from SD card for 5-6 times, but nothing. I used cd and dvd as well to burn sdtohdd iso. Anyone have any idea? Thanks, David

  98. Sam says:

    Hi, thank you for the detailed explanation, could you please confirm if that would work on a Touareg 2009 with a 2015 RNS 510 ? would the 5238 firmware work properly on it, as on my-gti.com it says that VW stopped supporting the touareg rns510 in version 3870 ?

  99. Sat says:

    Hi mate, brilliant work. I have a 2009 Scirocco with RNS510, i was going to attempt the hard disk upgrade, but I think it probably wont be needed if the SD card slot can read SDHC cards.

    mine currently only supports SD cards upto 2gb, does the 5238 firmware update change whether higher capacity cards can be read? I’m assuming so, because it seems that the maps are put on through sd here.

    i’ve got a dual layer dvd burner, so hopefully that should suffice for maps. I just want the option to take my music (on SD Card) and manage the files/filing system without copying things through the VW interface itself (it takes so long!)

    I’m tempted to run the update anyway, because it seems like both our cars had similar systems to start with, there is no system information.

  100. procopiu stefan says:

    Hi, the website for maps-tool is not working. Can you help me?

  101. fezzfertytay says:

    Hi, great tutorial. Update worked, 5238 working fine with no issues.
    However having maps DVD issues now with the “CD/DVD Error” as mentioned above..

    Only choice is to attempt doing via the SD method but the link is dead….
    Paul is there any chance you can host it via a dropbox or something if you have a copy?
    Preferably Mac version but windows will have to do if its the only option..

    Otherwise my phone is doing a great job as my temporary sat Nav, probably heaps better than using a built in system but hey i gotta give it a chance.. So far my experience with the RNS510 is that it feels like a product made in the 80’s. My old gameboy was faster at doing things..

  102. Geoff says:

    See Dropbox link below to maps-tool

    https://www.dropbox.com/s/idu2cmmbo614oi1/maps-tool-windows.zip?dl=0

    This is the windows version

  103. Docsapro says:

    To use it on a Apple / OSX (tested on MacOS Sierra) , simply rename the .exe with .jar

  104. horst klotz says:

    Hi, hopefully anyone can help me with this. I just downloaded the three Files and unzipped them using 7-zip (rightclick onj first file > 7-zip > extract files ). There was one File created called “RNS510-5238A-josi-VIM-Testmode.iso”. It has a size of 683MB instead of 700MB (thats what my windows explorer says). Is that correct?

  105. Followed these instructions to the letter and all went straight into my 2009 Golf with no issue. I even used the latest v14 maps. Awesome stuff Paul many thanks for sharing this, I wouldn’t have had the confidence to do it without a comprehensive guide like this!!!!

  106. Jasmin says:

    Thank you very much, you helped me a lot!
    I finished in 20-25 min. It was faster than I thought. Thanks again!

  107. Pablo says:

    Just updated to 5274 using this guide, got bit squeaky bum when the firmware first failed at 71% then after the maps (v14) the 510 stuck in boot loop. just had to redo the firmware and was good to go!
    Got the firmware and maps on cd-r and dvd+r going spare now if anyone wants them 🙂
    SD files you’ll have to download!

  108. Bruno Lagos says:

    Hi guys,

    I have update de RNS510 firmware on my Passat. With that, the GPS directions and song details on the driver console have stoped to work. Does any one knows how to correct this?

    Thanks in advance,

    Best regards,

    BL

  109. WizBiz says:

    Great guide.
    I found out that my RNS510 unit was ‘H’ version so I went for the latest firmware recommended which was 5269.
    Info from: http://www.my-gti.com/3983/volkswagen-rns-510-hardware-and-software-firmware-versions
    Link for firmware downloads and information: http://www.my-gti.com/3868/volkswagen-rns-510-firmware-download-repository
    I had hoped I would get the DAB feature but I can’t see that there is anything different from my 4020 version that was originally there.
    I updated my MAP to V14. Downloads are available that contain the ‘After MAP TOOL’ files. This was good as the link to the MAP TOOL (in the original text) has stopped working now…

  110. Great stuff!! It all worked for me. SW: 5238, 7-Zip for part 1-2-3, using Cyberlink-Power2go for imageburn at speed 10x to CD1, prepared SDcard with Maps tool 2.0.2 and V14 West Europe Maps. From SD card i burned the ISO file to CD2. Read step by step for succes. Drive carefully!!

  111. Peace says:

    AMAZING!!
    Thank you so much for pulling resources together & presenting them in a very digestible format.
    I followed step by step & got the same outcome.
    Thanks
    Keep it up


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  112. Digby says:

    Yes, thanks for all the info. My VW is 2009 and I think the RNS510 is factory fitted, the HW is H11 and version C12. I found that updating my RNS510 was a real project of perseverance. Basically nothing worked properly unless the ignition was turned on and the engine was running approx 1000 rpm. Firmware installation proceeded well until the Radio was updated 100% and the Gateway 0%, at that point rather than wait the indicated 18 mins remaining I learned that I had to Setup-Eject-Sound and restart the firmware installation and then the second time it always did the Gateway 100% and rebooted with ‘SWL Success’. I purchased a V14 8477 Navigation DVD from ebay but installing from it never worked, the vendor said my DVD lens needed cleaning! Instead I used Christian’s superb maps tool 2.02 from http://ul.to/1k0og0zg. My PC runs Ubuntu (Linux) and I learned that I can simply rename that .exe file to .jar and it worked perfectly in Javascript once I had Java runtime installed. So I then successfully installed the navigation files from an SD Card but upon completion my unit got itself into a start loop with just the VW logo appearing and disappearing!. So I re-installed the firmware again (twice as described above) and ‘tadaa’ the navigation data remained on the HDD while the firmware update overwrote the loop error and phew….it all works. Hooray 🙂


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  113. fincasatorre says:

    First of all thank you for your great instructions. Without them I probably wouldn’t have dared to upgrade my system or spent endless hours searching for the proper instructions.

    I might have an answer to some of the issues raised in your description. You wondered why your music and navigation data did not survive the firmware upgrade process. I guess the reason is that you used the version 5238 by Josi. Apart from the other changes Josi seems to have done to the firmware, he also inserted a repartitioning command into the
    DLSCRIPT.TXT residing in the \HDD\HDD_20GB\RNSMIDEC\CONFIG folder. The line is called:
    MULTI_VERIFY_HDD 3 3 50 2 25 3 25 0 0

    The 50 25 25 meaning that 50% of the available HDD space should be used for the music and 25% for the System and another 25% for the POIs. Without this re-partitioning command your music probably would have remained intact. Unless of course you already have exactly that partitioning scheme on your harddrive in which case the re-partitioning seems to get skipped as well.

    That was one of the reasons why I used the release 5274 instead. This is an unmodified original VW release as you can see in the comment line in the VERSION.TXT in the root folder:
    #CommentStart:
    This is a SWL CD for VW delivery.

    You can see the modified versions when the line says instead:
    #CommentStart:
    This is an unofficial SWL CD by josi. Use it at your own risk.

    As it is the case with all 5238 versions I could find and some of the 5274 versions as well.

    Unfortunately I ran into some trouble nonetheless. I first updated my system with the latest Maps (Western Europe V14 – 8477) to make sure that I have a working Maps source available in case my HDD would be re-partitioned despite my best efforts to avoid that. That worked instantly with a Dual Layer DVD+R that I had burned carefully at the slowest speed (2.4x). Unfortunately the installation process took over 1 1/2 hours and displayed no visible progress bar. The only way for me to determine that it was still updating the maps was the fact that the ejection button didn’t release the DVD and that every now and then you could hear the DVD drive make a small head moving noise.

    Anyhow afterwards I was running on 8477 according to the version info.

    The next step was to update my system from 3970 to 5274. I burned a CD, inserted it as mentioned and let it run. About 45 minutes and several reboots later my system was stuck at the “GATEWAY – To be updated 0%” message. No progress at all was visible and at some point the screen turned off by itself. That was when I tried to eject the CD for the first time. I don’t recall the exact steps anymore, but apparently my system was stuck and incapable of rebooting properly.

    So I had to use the UPDATE command by pressing Setup + Eject + Info/Mic. I tried it again with the same CD only to end up again being stuck at the GATEWAY part. Since it had gotten to late I decided to give it another try the next day with the previous version 5269. Which I did and lucky me it went through. Although I had to manually restart the system by turning the ignition key to get the update process going again. After some nervous waiting the GATEWAY update went through as well (making a loud noise in the speakers at least four times only during the GATEWAY process bar increase which would have scared the hell out of me hadn’t I read somewhere that other people had the same experience) and the screen went and remained black. I waited some time and then gave it another manual restart and it finally showed the SUCCESS message. Unfortunately at this point my car started to behave weirdly (like the numbers on the temperature control starting to blink in a funny rhythm when turning on the radio) and I was already afraid of having fried some important key components when I wondered if my battery might have been emptied by all that endless updating (over 5 hours at least for the maps and three firmware update runs). So I turned the key in the ignition and I got the familiar sound of a starter not having enough juice. After recharging my battery everything seemed to be fine though. Holding SETUP for 10 seconds revealed that my system was apparently running on 5269. What a relief!

    I will give the 5274 another try (maybe it works when upgrading from 5269 instead of 3970 to 5274?). Should I get stuck again I would run the 5269 update CD another time. Since the upgrade process probably got interrupted due to an nearly empty battery I figure it wouldn’t hurt to have another upgrade run uninterrupted.

    My advice to anybody not wanting to re-upload all his music and map data is to carefully pick the release. If the release contains no re-partitioning command (like the 5269 or the unmodified 5274 at the my-gti.com website) you should probably be safe. Apparently the system seems to be also more robust than I would have hoped since it could deal with a stuck upgrade process as well as with system shutdowns during the upload of the new firmware due to an empty battery.

    I would advise against an update using the 6276 release unless you are 100% sure that your system is a C14 (mine is a C11). Should you have already updated using one of the releases on Josi’s website you can’t rely on the hardware and software information any more since the numbers get changed by any update. So I recommend making a screenshot of your version display by pressing SETUP for over 10 seconds and then using your mobile phone to take a picture of the figures displayed.

    If anybody has any idea why 5274 got stuck at the GATEWAY part, I would appreciate sharing it here with everybody.

  114. Hutchy says:

    With repeated tries on the firmware update it was getting to around 70% and the screen going blank. Left 30mins still no change. As I had been trying 2-3 hours my battery is now flat!

    Can the firmware update be done whilst driving so it doesnt flatten my battery?

    • Hutchy says:

      For clarity, this is:

      SW: 5238 Update by josi
      On a 2009 Gold GTI with the RNS510.

      I could not get hardware revision as the secret setup menu does not show. So like Paul Roberts took a risk. Once my battery is in good health I need to decide what to do. Currently my unit is out of action, between firmware installations.

  115. Gustavo David Rodriguez says:

    Hi, I have 3 units rns510 with fw 3810 and all rejects DVD V14 maps with an error “CD/DVD error” … I don´t know what to do.
    Can anyone help me please?????

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